Friday, September 15, 2023

Moral Equivalence between Russia and Ukraine?

Tom Kando

I still watch the news and I still read the newspaper every day. This is a bad habit. The news is repetitive and depressing. The major progressive channels (CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, etc.) devote most of the time to Donald Trump and the lawsuits against him, ad nauseam. Overseas, the Ukraine war remains a main topic, with no end in sight. 

The Ukrainian situation bothers me a great deal. 

Maybe it’s because I come from Eastern Europe. Maybe because I spent the first decade of my life in a war not unlike the current bloodbath in Ukraine, and its aftermath. Maybe because Russia was doing to Hungary, my country of birth, the same thing it is doing to Ukraine now: raping it. 

Russia started its unprovoked attack on its peaceful neighbor in February 2014, when it conquered Crimea. It resumed its invasion in February 2022, attempting to annex the entire country, an effort that goes on unabated. 
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When the current assault began over a year and a half ago, the media were able to document clearly that Russia’s behavior was as unprovoked, unjustified and cruel as Hitler’s assaults upon Germany’s neighbors had been at the outset of World War Two. We saw on television entire cities pulverized, thousands of women, children and other innocents killed, millions of Ukrainians forced to flee from their country, farcical elections held by Russia, attempting to legitimize the annexation of territories, the deportation of Ukrainian children to re-education locations in Russia.

For once, American public opinion displayed moral clarity. If ever there was a conflict where the contrast between culprit and victim was clear, this was it. As clear as rape and unprovoked murder. And the public saw it. 

Whenever you click on a web portal such as Yahoo or AOL, you get a multitude of articles of the hour, articles which address the day’s most salient issues and change rapidly. Many of these quicky articles are about the Russia-Ukraine war. They are, by and large, professional and intelligent, reproduced from respectable news media such as Reuters. They are usually followed by hundreds or thousands of readers comments.

As a sociologist, I remain interested in public opinion. One way to get a sense of how the public feels is to scroll through some of the thousands of comments that follow such electronic articles. Of course, this is absolutely not a representative sample. But it is far richer and better than the traditional letters-to-the-editor still found in most daily newspapers, because it is much larger and practically every submission is accepted. 

So I occasionally examine this source of information. 

I did this a few times after this war began in 2022, and I have done it again a few times recently. To my great sorrow, I found a huge change in public opinion regarding Ukraine: in 2022, the vast majority of readers expressed outrage at Putin and strong support for Ukraine. 

This is  no longer the case. The majority of comments are at best isolationist. At worst, they see moral equivalence between Russia’s actions and American imperialism, between Putin and Biden. Most of the comments deplore our expensive military aid to Ukraine, arguing that this only benefits our military-industrial complex and our merchants of death, that America should take care of its own domestic problems rather than squander its resources on a proxy war in far-away Europe waged for capitalist profit 

The conspiratorial frame of mind of so many people is back. Accordingly, those responsible for this war include the CIA, NATO, Joe Biden and his son, the Pentagon and the American military-industrial complex. Not all the comments have this sort of slant, but over half of them do. 

As I said, maybe my sample is not representative. Some polls suggest that a majority of Americans still support Ukraine. Maybe. But it does appear that support is declining, especially among Republicans. Maybe Russian disinformation is at work here. 

All I know is that a year and a half ago, I didn’t come across a multitude of comments criticizing our government’s support of Ukraine. Most of the readers were highly supportive of strong economic and military support for Ukraine. Today, no more. 

Today, many Americans are against everything. Many oppose the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and also oppose resisting the invasion. Some comments express outrage at BOTH too much military assistance to Ukraine AND insufficient assistance. Anger and frustration are the common thread. Many comments are confused and contradictory, demanding simultaneously that our government do both more and less. 

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Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t wish to prolong this war, or God forbid escalate it. It is essential that peace negotiations begin ASAP. At least an armistice of some sort, one that stops the bloodletting, as it stopped in Korea seventy years ago. Obviously, both sides must compromise. Ukraine will not regain all that it has lost, but it should survive. 

I did not write this article in order to recommend specific action. I am not qualified to do that. Russia may well win, and the world may have to accept that. Nuclear war is out of the question. But this doesn’t mean that there is moral equivalence between Russia and Ukraine. 

Consider the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939. The Fascists won, but the world was never hoodwinked into believing that the Spanish Republicans deserved to lose. 

Today, I am disturbed when I take the pulse of American public opinion: There has been a significant change in the narrative pertaining to Ukraine: There is now much more talk of moral equivalence. This is very wrong.  leave comment here

8 comments:

Don Price said...

For me and I think many others, the issue isn't moral equivalence between Russia and Ukraine, but that after we promised Putin that we would not expand NATO east to Russia's border we went ahead and did it anyway.

June Gillam said...

Feeling so sad. Wish you had a larger audience. Will try to share.

PS: Why do we need to respect a promise to that lying sob Putin? Of course should not have made that promise at all.

Scott said...

Tom:
You should check out a book by the BCC correspondent, When America Stopped Being Great. He shares many of your concerns and fears, as do I.

Margo said...

I thoroughly agree and wonder what my Ukrainian mother in law would have said. She departed while a teenager but often thought of her life there and took my husband, as a child, to visit.

Tom Kando said...

Don Price makes a valid point, one which I have also touched upon, elsewhere. The rapid and great expansion of NATO all the way to Russia’s doorsteps was certainly provocative and not well-thought-out I agree with June.

There are always antecedent actions that can reasonably be seen as having contributed to a country’s anger and violent response. The Versailles and other treaties that followed World War One were extremely onerous to Germany and the other central European powers (Austria, Hungary, etc.) thereby contributing to that region’s fascist rage. Nevertheless, while Putin’s war can be viewed as realpolitik, it is an atrocity, and it needs to be condemned. Nothing justifies the suffering and devastation it is causing.

I briefly checked out Nick Bryant’s When America Stopped Being Great. I am unable to comment on it, as I haven’t read it.

However, let me say this about the topic of American decline, which has preoccupied me for years:

Countries decline. The process is usually gradual. For example, consider ancient Rome. The process does not have to be terminal. Consider Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Italy and a host of other countries that aspired to be, or were, world leaders at one time. They may have failed at that, and experienced “decline.” But they continue to hobble along, they remain relatively prosperous and well-functioning and important democracies and members of the family of nations. America must accept the fact that it will no longer be the world hegemon, but it must not think in terms of “all or nothing .” It must and can remain one of the major members of the family of nations. It must improve the country's domestic conditions and it must and can continue to be one of the major contributors to to the world’s democracy, prosperity and progress.

Margo said...

Thanks. I agree but I think we’re in deep s,,,, . Too much violence and hatred and lack of idealism and optimism. Bad years ahead.

Unknown said...

I agree with your main point, that we should support Ukraine, if only because of our E. European allies, but the American public is understandably suspicious of open-ended obligations. For the past 25 years the idiotic "War on Terror"© has been an excuse for endless interventions abroad which end badly, Libya being a recent horrible example. How to restore any confidence in the foreign policy elite is the major issue here. Probably can't be done at this point.

Tom Kando said...

Unknown makes a very valid point, and he does so eloquently. That is the conundrum.

At the simplest level, my article could be construed as saying "condemn (Putin), but don't fight back." This doesn't work. Hopefully diplomacy will. As "unknown" writes, the general problem is our entire foreign policy. How to handle this dangerous world differently from the triumphal and unilateral policies right after World War Two is the big question. While NATO is now to some extent part of the problem (for reasons mentioned in some of the comments above), US reliance on coalitions and alliances does remain part of the solution. Isolationism does not.

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